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It's all in the "cognitive appraisal."

I'm told the physiological state of "nervous" and "excited" are exactly the same--the only difference is whether you expect good things or bad things.

I think it was in one of your Chrono Trigger let's plays where you talked about being in a sort of hostel in Japan with your perhaps more knowing friend and you walked in your socks over that little drop in the floor that Japanese people are taught from the time they're able to conceive of goal-oriented behavior is where you put on your outside shoes to evoke a sense of ritual cleanliness and your friend came running after you, yelling "DUDE! SHOES! SHOES!" and everyone shot you dirty looks.

You described this as "so arbitrary," but their all agreeing to evoke things like this feeling of ritual cleanliness is how they agree to cooperate and coordinate behavior without significant conflict.

Your friend reminds me of someone I saw online who said that Japanese people essentially waste their time watching TV shows where they eat food and then just sort of emote about it--not even giving any kind of review or verbally describing their experience. It's in this way that they socially define the food by their facial expressions, which I've heard described derisively as "face fucking," and their facial expressions by the food.

Food and facial expressions mean a lot to culturally Japanese people.

Again, it's in this way that they're able to reach agreement, cooperate, and coordinate behavior productively.

It's in this way that they're able not to feel like you describe.

If you make a habit of "cognitively appraising" the behavior as "arbitrary" or "a waste," then, yes, I can see how it would be BEWILDERING and EXHAUSTING.

In the words of that Borg who kidnaps Data, "I was like you once." Now I get to be the cyborg ninja Gray Fox from Metal Gear Solid: "Hurt me more!" I definitely need time to recover and "Sharpen the Saw®" as The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People would say, but it allows me to engage and comprehend where people are coming from. I just need more "personality ethic" stuff of saying something like, "Hey, yeah, man, thanks, but I'm kind of a huge introvert and I come here to kind of recover from all the more people-oriented stuff I do at work all day. Let me know what teams you follow, though?" instead of kind of more Millennial-oriented therapy-speak.

It's like at the end of Kindergarten Cop when Arnold Schwarzenegger won't eat the Jell-O in the hospital: "He's a tough guy! Tough guys don't eat Jell-O!" It's good for your hair and nails and all, but it MEANS something to people who grew up with different marketing, etc.

You can go through life demanding that everything means to the big Other what it means to you, but... you're going to be BEWILDERED and EXHAUSTED a lot.

Which matters a lot in this day and age when the SCUMBAGS--I mean... tough guys--are in charge of Medicaid, agricultural labor supply, etc.

muh "Snap City: Welcome to Muscleville with CT Fletcher" on YouTube but, like, mad liberal and progressive and leftist and feminist and stuff.

Isaac S.'s avatar

I want to be his friend! Man, this just makes me sad. I hate how hard it is for us depressed guys to make friends. The way we're socialized to bottle up our emotions just fucks us over in so many ways, and it's extra sad because our deep loneliness lets us see just how much real connection means.

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